THE VOICE OF FOREIGNER NOW SINGING A VERY DIFFRENT TUNE
Considering how fitful Jones is known to
treat his fellow bandmates, it says a lot for the decency and loyalty of Gramm that he lasted in Foreigner, at least officially, for some 26 years, from 1977 through to 2003.
treat his fellow bandmates, it says a lot for the decency and loyalty of Gramm that he lasted in Foreigner, at least officially, for some 26 years, from 1977 through to 2003.
Not that there was much new music in the
last ten years of that period from Foreigner, the only album of new material was `Mr. Moonlight` from 1994, and with the exception of a few songs like `Under the Gun` and `White Lie` it is a rather tiresome retread of the rock love ballad style which Foreigner had already defined many times before on previous albums.
last ten years of that period from Foreigner, the only album of new material was `Mr. Moonlight` from 1994, and with the exception of a few songs like `Under the Gun` and `White Lie` it is a rather tiresome retread of the rock love ballad style which Foreigner had already defined many times before on previous albums.
Starting with the patchy 1984 album called
`Agent Provocateur`, which yielded the great power balled `I Want to Know What Love Is`, Foreigner tended to go too far in the ballad direction, much to the annoyance of a lot of the fans who were more in favour of Foreigners`s Free and Humble Pie style rock`n`roll, and not all the atmospheric stuff which overtook albums like Agent P and Gramm`s solo albums in the late 1980`s, one of which was made after he quit Foreigner the `first` time.
`Agent Provocateur`, which yielded the great power balled `I Want to Know What Love Is`, Foreigner tended to go too far in the ballad direction, much to the annoyance of a lot of the fans who were more in favour of Foreigners`s Free and Humble Pie style rock`n`roll, and not all the atmospheric stuff which overtook albums like Agent P and Gramm`s solo albums in the late 1980`s, one of which was made after he quit Foreigner the `first` time.
Songs such as `Women` and `Dirty White Boy` off the hit and miss 1979 album Head Games remain the quintessential expressions of Gramm/ Jones rock chemistry, they really are such good grainy rhythm and blues songs.
And how could I miss `Hot Blooded` off the `Double Vision` album from 1978, and the very underrated Chuck Berry riff-a-fied title track? In fact I`d have to say that the first four Foreigner albums were as close as you get to perfectly executed prog-rock stoked rhythm and blues, starting with the eponymous self titled debut in 1977 and ending with the Mutt Lange tweaked opus `4`, from 1981.
There is too many good songs from these four albums to list individually, however I have to say that every one of those albums has got its artistic flaws and a few too many fillers.
The Gramm/ Jones partnership was on tenterhooks when Foreigner recorded the 1987 album `Inside Information`,which actually wasn`t a bad album whatsoever considering the acrimony and tension in the studio between guitar maestro and singing maestro.
The album actually boogies a lot better than `Agent Provocateur` or `4` from earlier in the 80`s. If you want to hear a great Humble Pie tune, then have a listen to `Counting Every Minute` off Inside Information.
How guitarist Jones saw fit to leave this number off the two CD Foreigner anthology on Rhino Records is beyond reason, because it is the best guitar riff Jones writ for Foreigner during the entire 80`s.
After Inside Information, Gramm unofficially `ran off` to record a second solo album and form a legendary AOR outfit called Shadow King, which resulted in one self titled album in 1991.
Jones and the remaining members of Foreigner recorded the album `Unusual Heat`, with new vocalist Johnny Edwards, which also come out in 1991.
The song `Lowdown and Dirty` off this album is truly a brilliant hard rock song, and `Flesh Wound` is also a cutting rock groove.
The new Foreigner and Shadow King both didn`t make it through to the next year though, Jones and Gramm decided to bury the hatchet to record three new songs for a greatest hits compilation that was released in 1992.
Thats when it become clear just how ruthless and domineering Mick Jones could be, because long termer bass guitarist Rick Wills, who joined Foreigner in 1979 for Head Games and Dennis Elliott, the foundation drummer of the band, were both given the flick pass just like Jones had done to the other two foundation members, Ian McDonald and Al Greenwood, from the original six piece Foreigner days.
Since 1992, there has probably been about twenty members come and go out of Foreigner, most of them probably can't handle Jone`s mood swings, Jason Bonham, son of the late great Led Zeppelin drummer John Bonham, couldn`t even put up with the revolving door of keyboardists and guitarists which was getting a workout for ten years straight.
Any bandleader like Mick Jones who cant keep band members like Jason Bonham has really got to look at themselves in the mirror and acknowledge that they are doing something wrong, either professionally or personally when interacting with their bandmates.
I have to say that Kelly Hansen, the Lou Gramm soundalike who replaced Gramm in 2003, is very good and very convincing.
I guess if he can put up with Mick Jones then that's all that matters for the future of Foreigner, presuming there is one.
The latest and only album which features Hansen on lead vocals, `Cant Slow Down` is a lot more convincing than `Mr. Moonlight`, but it certainly isn`t up there with `4` or `Double Vision`.
Lou Gramm made a triumphant return to
recording music with a rock gospel album
in 2009 with a self titled album under the
banner of the Lou Gramm Band. His two
brothers, Ben and Richard, play on here,
as well as Andy Knoll on keyboards and
Don Manusco on guitar.
Amazing album, songs like `So Great`, `Redeemer`, `Its Not Too Late`, `(I Wanna) Testify` and the anthematic cool soul of Billy Preston`s original `That`s The Way God Planned It` are not overdone with bible bashery and lyrical zealism, but instead are refreshingly contemporary interpretations of spirituality played out in a rock band backdrop.
Lou Gramm has taken the rock path less
travelled with this latest diversion to gospel rock, but he probably has kept himself
one step ahead of the band which he was
instrumental on putting on the map back
in the days when he was singing about mini skirts and not discovering the love of God.

I saw Foreigner live in early '78 at Festival Hall, with a couple of free tickets on the strength of Hot Blooded, and Cold as Ice we were not expecting too much. Foreigner were so up themselves they wouldn't even let the back up band use their back line and they had to play the big old decibel soaking hall with just their amps and club PA, more about that later. I had never seen a band lip sinc before, even the guitar's all were on a backing track and they were in essence just performing over the top of it, after a couple of songs the crowd was booing them and they turned the volume up so loud and played about three more songs before calling it an early night.
ReplyDeleteBack in Early '78 there was a local band that was getting quite a following at the time as an act you just came away from in awe of, the musicianship, the quality of the originals and even the covers they did, and the way they gelled as a band, and the screaming sweating front man, they were Cold Chisel, and the reason we even bothered to go to the foreigner gig at all. When Chisel backed them up they played 3/4 hour set and at the end it was clear the crowd did not want them to stop , stamping , cheering, whistling, and yelling encore, encore until the roaries had pulled every amp, every speaker, and every calel form their rig from the stage. It was never going to be easy for the following band, let alone the first time we got a look at Millie Vanillie style performing. Foreigner may have had sone good pop songe, but they weren't even in the same universe as Chisel in the day.
Yes Buddy, there has often been accusations
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to mime the songs, i have heard about the
concert you are talking about previously.
I would say that in `78 it was a classic
example of Mick Jones outdoing himself
and not being able to play the studio
output in a live situation. Gramm is a
great singer, take nothing away from
him, and Ian McDonald, the progressively
trained rocker from King Crimson fame,
who got the bullet from the band in
1980, certainly had a great deal of
talent. The problem for the band was
that there was three would be band
leaders in `78, namely Jones, Gramm
and McDonald, and all the egos and
polar opposite musical directions
made for a very uncohesive chemistry
on stage. I wouldn`t doubt that Jones
would have cheated by playing over pre-
recorded music, maybe the `78 concert
was the start of tensions which lead
to the early 6-piece line-ups demise.
No matter what `cheating` went on as
far as live performances are concerned,
the accusations against Foreigner for
tweaking their studio output too much
is pretty hypocritical. I mean to say,
Def Leppard spent 4 years recording
Hysteria and Pink Floyd fucked around
for months getting a precise sound for
Dark Side of the Moon. And at least
Foreigner had the guts to get on
stage and get booed, dont forget
that the Beatles didn`t even have
the guts to get up on stage for the
last half of their career. They like
Foreigner were not fully capable of
performing their precise studio music
live in concert, Foreigner at times
apparently cheated to pull it off.
But to be fair to Gramm and his new
album `The Lou Gramm Band` which was
released in 2009, it`s Gramm in great
singing mode, and its definitely for
real. No Foreigner `tweaking` on this
one. And i do love Cold Chisel too, i
often start my night by playing the
best tune of all `Rising Son`.
Yep, agree, Lou Gramm is a great singer, no doubt about that, and his collaberations with McDonald were the bones of early Foreigner hits which would have been irksome for Jones in all probability. I never rated Foriegner that highly to be honest, they were to far into popular music for my taste, and their arrogance and poor performances only confirmed that this was another management band job like the monkerys or Kylie.
ReplyDeleteI agree Buddy that Foreigner had at
ReplyDeleteleast two smug, love myself musical
elitists as members, and i am not
in a position to defend the authen-
ticity and musicianship of their
live performances, which most like-
ly suffered at times because a few
of the band members were out of their
depth translating their studio output
to a live performance. But i dont agree
with you in regards to your accusation
that Foreigner is a `management band
job` or if you wanted to be less subtle,
a `corporate rock band`. That is simply
not true. Foreigner, regardless of the
band members individual musical ability
and contribution to the band, was in
fact a `journeymens` band, it was never
a band made of up of studio musician
hacks which the record company insti-
gated the formation of purely in the
name of making a profit. Foreigner is
not and never has been an AOR or
corporate rock band, even though
artists like Sting and Phil Collins
always accused them as being. If you
want a corporate rock band, then have
a listen to Boston or even Toto almost
qualifies as a corporate rock band. No
matter how dodgy some Foreigner live
performances might have been, the fact
remains that what made it onto vinyl in
the studio is what i always admired with
Foreigner, if you like 70`s style hard
rock, you couldn`t possibly say that
Hot Blooded, Women, Dirty White Boy,
Double Vision and Love Has Taken Its
Toll` are not classic rock songs, no
matter what Foreigner came up with in
a live situation. And may i just say
that the power ballad to end all pow-
er ballads, `I Want To Know What Love
Is`, was recorded without any overdubs
and what is on record is the first take.
80`s lead vocals never got any better.
I'm not denying the pop hits that foreigner had, like "Hot Blooded" but it was hardly hard rock, back in the day it was a staple for RSL type cover bands and it was rock enough to give credibility to but soft enough to be playable to mixed audiences. "Cold as Ice" and "I wanna know what love is" are without doubt Foreigners forte, the power ballard, they suited Gramm's voice perfectly, could be orchestrated to the point of pop perfection as well and left room for sweet little lead breaks without boring the average listener with outrageously long guitar solo's, it's no wonder they were very very popular, however I'm not sure there are going to be too many out there who will back your position that they were hard rock, they were definitely in the rock /pop genre and for the most stayed well within the attractive to 14 year old girls audience profile.
ReplyDeleteLets face it they were a product of the day, just as TOTO were, they had a look a style and a sound that could get dollars for record sale and even if they did make a botch up of their early Australian tours they managed to stay popular and churn out some very good music. Personally I prefer TOTO If I had to choose, simply because I prefer the musicianship of that band and the more interesting phrasing, lyrical content, the outside rock/pop influences, and the general guitar tone Steve Lukather produced. Looking at all the line up changes in TOTO I wonder how Lou would have gone in it, . . .could have been good?
Yeah, I agree with the last lost of that , well all of it really, but the last bit is spot on, and that's what I really meant by a "management band" ; like you said the management would have been punching the numbers about what kind of songs will sell well, and to their credit they were very adept at punching them out. I'm actually not being disrespectful to anyone who likes Foreigner, they are a great talent, but as you say not really my cup of tea. A confession though, I learned "Cold as Ice" on piano in about ten minutes, and it was the first song I ever played keys on in a band, other than that it was always Bass or Guitar. So there you go. In a covers band, and I was in one we played not just that one but definately "hot blooded" as well, just the ticket back in the day to get the girls out of their chairs and dancing.
ReplyDeleteActually when i think about it my
ReplyDeletefavourite Foreigner songs, with the
exception of Hot Blooded and I Want
To Know What Love is, are all the B
sides which not even Foreigner liked
all that much or ignored most of the
time, if not always, when performing
live. Songs like `Women`, `Starrider`,
`Spellbinder`, `Luanne`, `She`s Too
Tough`, `That Was Yesterday`, `Beat
of My Heart`, `Nightlife`, `Cant Wait`,
`Woman in Black` and `Girl On the Moon`
were completely forgotten about by Mick
Jones and Lou Gramm himself. Maybe that
also explains why the tensions in the
band come to the surface in the 80`s,
because one of more of the members
were stopping Gramm from singing a
lot of songs that he wanted to. The
only A-side out of the songs i just
outlined is `That Was Yesterday` off
Agent Provocateur, and the band did
keep that in their live set. And new
vocalist Kelly Hansen has resurrected
`Starrider` in Foreigners live set.
The rest of them have been shat on
basically by Jones since the day
they were recorded. Very strange!